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‘It’s not fair’: Milo man loses contract to supply state with flags
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CORINTH, Maine — Nobody has ever questioned Walter Lougee’s patriotism. The Milo man’s life is surrounded by the red, white and blue symbols of America, all made in the U.S.A.
To help supplement his retirement income over the years, Lougee, 67, has operated a business called World of Flags USA, selling American and state of Maine flags along with an assortment of sports-related items from his Corinth store and his home in Milo.
Until this year, one of his biggest customers for flags was the state government. He said this week that his bids to supply the flags have been accepted for about four years because they were the lowest ones submitted. Over those years, he never increased his bid even though his business costs had increased, and he always tossed in free shipping, he said.
Expecting that he would once again be awarded the contract for 144 American flags and a similar number of state of Maine flags, Lougee instead received what he called a “slap in the face.”
After the bids were reviewed late last year, Lougee learned that a Pennsylvania company had received the contract. The out-of-state company had submitted a bid on the American flags that was about $30 less than his total bid, he said he was told. The state’s decision has angered him ever since.
“I wouldn’t have minded if I had been beaten out by another company in the state of Maine, but I think when Maine leaves the state … it’s just killing Maine businesses,” Lougee said.
After all, Lougee noted, he has paid and continues to pay an assortment of Maine taxes, including the sales tax, unlike the Pennsylvania firm.
The out-of-state company also isn’t likely to support Maine organizations and nonprofits the way Lougee has over the years, he said. His generosity is quite clear from the letters and cards displayed on his walls at his businesses in Corinth and Milo that thank him for his donations of flags, some of which have flown over military installations in Iraq.
The state has a formal request-for-proposals process to make sure everyone who makes a bid is treated fairly, David Farmer, Gov. John Baldacci’s spokesman, said Friday. If the service and quality are equal, then the lower bid price is awarded, he said. “We do that as a way of saving taxpayer money,” he said.
Lougee recognizes that but believes the state should have a 5 percent buffer as some states do, so when bid amounts are close it would give Maine firms a better chance to compete.
The problem with that, Farmer said, is that other states would, in turn, impose a buffer that would affect Maine firms bidding on out-of-state projects or goods. The state exports a lot more than it imports, he said. “The RFP process is intended to protect both the people who are bidding to make sure they are treated fairly, but also to protect the taxpayer — to make sure that when the state is purchasing something, that the taxpayer is getting the best deal possible,” Farmer said.
Rep. Doug Thomas, R-Ripley, said he attempted to get a buffer law on the books in January but his bill was killed for lack of support. “I thought it made sense,” he said, but added that he was told other states would retaliate if such a law were on the books.
“It bothers me that we do so many things in Augusta that drive up the cost of doing business in Maine and then give our business to out-of-state companies,” Thomas said Thursday. He said a lot of state government business is going out of state, but he doubted that any agency kept track of just how much.
Thomas said that according to the last figures he had received from the Maine Development Foundation, it costs almost 11 percent more to do business in Maine than it does in the rest of the country. “So how does a Maine business compete?” he asked.
“I knew there was a chance that my bill wouldn’t become law, but [the issue] needs to be addressed, people need to be made aware of it,” Thomas said. “The volume of business that [Lougee] was doing with the state helped him buy all of his flags cheaper so that he could sell flags to you and [me] for less, because he was getting the volume discount. When he lost that state business, he lost that volume discount.”
Lougee said the loss of the state contract will have a big effect on his business. It will mean fewer hours for his part-time employee — his daughter — and fewer donations and advertisements in fundraising pamphlets and programs. “I just don’t understand it,” he said of the state’s policy.
Although he may be in business for only a few more years, Lougee said, he wants to make conditions better for other Maine businesses. He wondered aloud where the state buys its paper towels, pens and pencils, office supplies and other goods, and suggested that Maine businesses could be losing the contracts on these products as well. “It’s not right, it’s not fair,” he said.
“The state of Maine has got to do something,” Lougee said. “I may be in the flag business for another three to four years, but I hope this wakes up the state about doing more business with Maine businesses.”
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Just one more example of the foolishness and absurd decisions made in Augusta...no wonder businesses don't survive in this state....quite pitiful really....
greed the down fall of man kind,sad we have lost so much.peace
i hope you are happy baldee and the other idoits that claim they have our best interest at heart. but since they dont have heart, there is no way they can have our best interest. they are only looking out for themselves as usual.
Wow I guess I was caught up in the theme of this article....the out of state company's bid was $30 less than the MAINE company that has had the bid for 4 years....this is the most idiotic thing to come out of Augusta for quite some time....this really is unexceptable!! Where is this man's business located? I could use a couple of new flags myself...anyone else?
It sounds like the folks in Augusta just don't get it. I'am surprised they didn't give the contract to a Chinese outfit...just remember, when election time rolls around who the morons are that make the decisions for the good of Maine people !
Stupid! Well, sign up for some welfare program, Mr. Lougee. Our Governor/Legislature just rather support those programs than businesses and employment in Maine. As for me - I'm going to vote against every single incumbent the next time around. And I'd support reducing 40 percent of state agencies/employees (especially administrative staff) as well. Let them learn to WORK and THINK for a living.
Not fair. I hope this article brings this to more people's attention and maybe it will increase some business for Mr. Lougee.
I hope the State of Maine is happy that they have put the shaft to another Maine company. This just goes to show you the state really doesn't want
to save money, they just say they do. How much will it cost them for shipping? I hope the new company doesn't give the state any breaks, give them what they deserve.
They dump a Maine small business for less than 21 cents per flag??? What makes this even more ridiculous is that the taxes he paid TO THE STATE OF MAINE on the profit from those 288 flags was probably more than the $30 they saved. I'm pretty sure the PA company doesn't pay business/income taxes to Maine.
The federal government has "buy American" buffers built in for their products and contracts, it's high time Maine followed suit. Aside from that, the state should be able to consider the benefits to the state of using state suppliers/contractors. Assign dollar figures to income/business taxes, income taxes from employee wages, etc. Those are real dollars the state throws away just to save pennies with out of state suppliers.
Time to clean house in Augusta......commen sense is what i'm voting for......no party lines but commen sense.......they all need to go
The State will probably pay more in shipping costs than the $30.00 "savings" because the Maine guy doesn't charge shipping. Nothing in Augusta gets thought all the way through AND THAT'S the shameful part. They think they will save but they won't and a Maine business get screwed in the process.
The current Maine government sux and I agree it is time to start fresh in Augusta. JB should have remained a lawyer and kept his twist out of politics, he has done nothing productive for our state thus far and I sure do not see any in the future.
First of all, obviously no one in Maine State government connected with this decision has a brain cell in there head and simply does not understand business, costs associated with business, and revenue. Loss of Maine tax alone more than makes up for the 30 dollar difference. Money earned and spent in Maine by the emloyees more than makes up the difference. David Farmer has to be both ignorant and lazy to make such statements. I am surprised a governor of anyy state in any party would keep someone on staff who made such stupid and arrogant comments. If the legislature will not take action to correct this wrong, I certainly hope people of the state of Maine will. As a now retired senior business manager with global responsibility, you would quickly be fired by me Mr. Farmer. But then again, I have a brain and have run businesses larger than the state of Maine.
$30.00 and he loses to an out of state company? I'm sure he pays more than that in taxes? But then we elect these idiots to serve us so who is to blame?
Typical idiotic thinking.I will happily buy a flag from him.He needs to make flags that say $30 and bring them to the statehouse.Look at all the $$ the state wastes on school administrators,special ed(world's biggest con) and consultants.
My husband and I always wanted to live in Maine. It's beautiful (when the sun finally decides to shine). We've been here three years and every year we've owed MORE in taxes. Don't you think when the state tax is taken out of your check you would be giving them what they need? then they have the gaul to ask for $1,000 more? While trying to get a payment plan arranged, they told us we actually should have $3,000 left over each month. I told the woman, I'd really like to know where that money is. We certainly would be complaining about paying $1,000 if we had that kind of money just laying around. Most months, we're short a $100 and we certainly don't live extravagantly. We, like many others I'm sure, are considering looking elsewhere to live. You just can't make it in this state - even if you work your butt off. Let alone start a business and have it thrive. Maine is not friendly to business, but they're not friendly to people either. Who knows what the heck they're thinking. Why aren't we encouraging businesses to come here, filmmakers to film here, etc. As long as the state continues to be unfriendly to business and its inhabitants it will always have a problem making things work.
We own a business at thome here in Maine. Though it is very seasonal and only for the summer months. But this is why we don't buy a shop and do our business at a shop other then in our home..because of the taxes and the things like this and then they wonder why businesses don't come to Maine...
I find this very inappropriate with Augusta to do this over 30.00 dollars! To think our own STATE.. won't support Maine Businesses..well everyone is right here it is time to clean house! And yes we did vote for these idiots.. but now it is time to vote the idiots out! Don't you think?? And we hopefully will have the power to do this, this November! Unless they take that right away from us next too!
If the Augustanites really want to save taxpayer money, why don't they buy U.S. flags from China? We could use the purchase of flags as a means to pay off the billions, I said billions, the Bamster borrowed to bail out GM. Seriously, this is another outrage. All the talk of keeping jobs in Maine & this is their answer?
This is absolutely ridiculous !!!.....What a slap in the face for Mr.Lougee....As a taxpayer (paying the salaries in Augusta) , I'd like to know the names of those in the State agency that made this decision....and I'd also like to know how much postage the State will be paying to ship the flags from Pa to Me...
I too moved here to Maine cuz of its beauty and serenity..since we have been here about 8yrs..taxes have gone crazy..I am just joping to God things get better and we can sell our houses at a somewhat profit and move out..I think going south sounds nice..but really need to look into taxes and costs before we do. sux
What a disgrace, and another reason to be ashamed in how the state treats it's own. $30 really? As much as this state wastes money this is ridiculous.
Thank you Mr. Lougee for your devoted patriotic service!
Kuddos to Rep Doug Thomas for attempting to help the average local business community! So sad he felt it wouldn't even pass! Why wouldnt people want to keep business in Maine?
At least he saw what the need and does something to try to fix it rather than ingnore it like most people are doing in Maine. He is trying to keep the people in Maine in business and helping his neighbors! I used to run a business in Maine full time but could not afford to keep it here and had to relocate it to Fla to keep it in business. I think on this Independence Day, I am going to say Thank you to Doug Thomas for trying to help keep business in Maine!
Anybody care to bet that someone in the legislature is getting a kickback on this deal? I bet Mr. Lougee was not even given the opportunity to meet or beat the other company's price. Disgusting.
It is not fair to blame the office in Augusta who made the decision to give the contract to an out-of-state firm. By law if the quality and service is equivalent the contrat must be awarded to the lowest bidder. The elected representatives should be the ones taking the heat for this particular purchase because THEY are the ones that will not vote in a buffer law to allow the flexibility to award the contract to Mr. Lougee.
I guess he couldn't afford a lobbyist in Augusta.....
I'll bet they're all proud as Peacocks down there in Augusta for saving us a whopping $30.00. Let's all send thank you cards.
I think the State could have been creative and found a way to award the contract to the instate business. It is a fact tho that Maine businesses are contracting to do work in other States. If those States were to give preferential treatment across the board to their contractors Maine Businesses would really really suffer for it.
I moved away from Maine in 1995 for just this reason. Tae taxes were killing me and I knew they (taxes) would really kill me after I had retired.
This is just another example of the Liberal wellfare type government. Take from the poor and give to the rich. $30, really? enjoy the 4th of July while it is still a legal Holiday or a holiday at all!
PabMainer, Mr. Lougee's business is about 2 miles north of Corinth Village on route 15 on the right. Just past the Jct of Rt#11 and Rt #15. I saw your question in your comment section.
Hey people, these flags probably ARE made in China. The article doesn't say they are US made. Farmer doesn't state US made is a requirement. Maine is run like a used car dealer - they lie and cheat and take you for all they can - on every transaction.
The only way you are going to clean house in Augusta is to vote all of the Liberals out of office, the sooner you learn this the better off you will be.
All of the jerks that are in Augusta are sound Liberals and it going to be that way till the voters wake up
Hey Lubec K Deck don't compare a Used Car Dealer to the State of Maine Government. The Used Car dealer is heads above the bureaucrats in Augusta.
This is exactly why companies have left this state. Actually this is a mind set in this state its always better if it comes from any place but Maine. Probably the buyer Mr. Farmer is from away as well. We seem to be run from people from away so it actually makes sense. This is what happens when the government has the attitude we work for them instead of they work for us.
REMEMBER PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THE GOEVERNMENT WORK FOR THE PEOPLE!!
THE GOVERNMENT HAS FORGOTTEN THAT ASPECT ESPECIALLY THE BUREAUCRATS.
LubecKDeck: The article clearly states in the first paragraph that the flags are USA made: "The Milo man’s life is surrounded by the red, white and blue symbols of America, all made in the U.S.A."
Please reread the article.
Hey LubecKDeck.... it says in the very 1st paragraph that everything in his store is made in the USA. I do agree with your comments tho...I think lying and cheating is a job requirement to be a politician in Maine.
Wow does the state even have a clue about economics? If they did they would realize that they lost alot more tham 30 bucks. The goverment spending multiplier effect would have produced alot more than 30 bucks. First the business that made the flags would pay state income taxes on the profit,and they would paying wages for local workers. These employees would be paying taxes on there income and the spending money in local stores. The local stores will be paying taxes on there profits and hiring employees that in turn pay taxes.On and on it goes. Now for 30 bucks all that money has left the states economy. Nice job Augusta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a bunch of idiots. Great way to help out the Maine economy. Business as usual.
Hey! Let's just eliminate the entire bidding systyem for the state or we can just use the bidding rules as a guideline. That way we can pick and choose who we want to award bids to.
I don't understand the outrage. the politicians in Maine are just following the President's lead. Just another government outrage. I'm glad I didn't vote for any of the greedmongers in charge.
The Milo store owner is right, it's not fair! It is another slap in the face to Mainers! This confirms the allegations that our State elected do not care about the people they serve. They are clueless as to were their paychecks come from-obviously!
I agree with the store owner...will the Pennsylvania company pay taxes to Maine to help build our roads and bridges? Not too swift of a decision... or do our elected have other motivations for this senseless act? Makes you wonder doesn't it?
THIS FLAG BUSINES IS LOCATED ON ROUTE 15 JUST OUTSIDE OF EAST CORINTH HEADING NORTH TOWARD DOVER-FOXCROFT9QUITE NEAR THE PRISON IN CHARLESTON...I'M CURIIOUS, IS THE NEW COMPANY SHIPPING FREE GOV?
god bless america,but god help us with our corrupt gov.have a great 4th all.peace
IMPEACH BALDACCI- This is out of control. Let's give our tax dollars to another state to supply flags. Augusta.. You should be ashamed of yourselves. No wonder the state is in the trouble it is in! Thank you to the hard working small business owners who are being taxed to death. Please do this business owner a favor and when it is time to replace your flag, or if you want a flag, do business with him.. Together, we can all help to make up for his loss. Thank you BDN for posting this story and giving this business owner some much needed press.
for $30 this went to an out of state business!? Guess it shouldn't be an issue for Mainers to be buying lots of alcohol and other products across the border in tax-free New Hampshire to save a few dollars, now should it?
Shame on the person who made this decision. There is no excuse for stupidity such as this.
PabMainer----This man's business in Milo is located on Albert St. I beleive #27.. I was a neighbor for quite a few years. He and his wife were exceptionaly nice people. Not sure where his place is located in Corinth. Can't miss the home business, signs and flaggs out front and around! Hope maybe someone will give him some business, as the state of Maine certainly can't be counted on!
As the saying goes!!!support our local businesses,our local farmers,etc.WELL!! Why !! isn't Augusta listening to support our local businesses.It comes down to again,the little person does all the work and support.Voting term will come around again,and you will question why you didn't get your votes,WELL!! think again,all the promises you make during your campaign,to get your votes and in the end,the small business man suffers again.People of Maine,lets clean house next term,vote for the person who really cares for the people of Maine,as the old saying goes CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME!!!!!!!!
Hang in there Mr. Lougee,we the people are behind you 100%.
I'm no businessman but what ever happened to the phrase "we reserve right to reject any bid"? This act by our state government is just one of the many businesses being hurt. Do you know where your drivers license is printed? How about the books that explain the laws governing our hunting, fishing , and just about any outdoor activity? You might be shocked if you read where they are printed--not in Maine!! Check inside these books and you will find out. If it would do any good I'd send the State of Maine a check for the $30 dollars that they saved !!! I'm sure they would have an excuse why they couldn't accept it. We need an avalanche of letters and bad press about these things.
The State of Maine should have kept the contract in the State of maine. This just isn't right.
What, they couldn't go another thirty bucks and keep the business in-state? Nice. It's way, way past time to completely clean house in Augusta. Vote ALL of them out.
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"The state has a formal request-for-proposals process to make sure everyone who makes a bid is treated fairly, David Farmer, Gov. John Baldacci’s spokesman, said Friday. If the service and quality are equal, then the lower bid price is awarded, he said. “We do that as a way of saving taxpayer money,” he said."
What an embarrassment this is to the State of Maine and it's citizens. Just another example of why I don't ever offer to tell anyone that Maine was once my home.
Soliderity, I'm behind the people of Maine, I will not reconize any flagg that does not have this mans name on it.
WE NEED A MAN LIKE DOUG THOMAS AS GOVENOR FOR A FEW YEARS. HE IS A BUSINESSMAN AND HE SELLS A PRODUCT FROM MAINE WHICH IS FIREWOOD AND HE HAS CUT AND SPLIT A LOT OF IT. HE WOULD BE VERY GOOD AT CUTTING AND SPLITTING THE AUGUSTA CLUB
What a sad thing to do...Augusta has to clean up their act and stop this foolishness!
The State government has just expanded the definition of "dumb". The Bangor City Council recently held a lengthy discussion about awarding a construction contract to the low bidder because the next lowest bid came from a firm we have done business with for several years, to our complete satisfaction. Some of us felt that to break up a successful relationship to "save" $39,000 was not the best decision. the low bidder prevailed, but at least the Council deba6ted the merits of the award. Incidentally the new flags in the bangor council Chambers came from Mr. Lougee. I am willing to write a check to the state for $31 with the yunderstanding that it will be applied to mr. Lougee's bid and retain the state business. But i don't think I could trust anyone in state government to handle that huge amount of excess money! What a sad state our state is in when this kind of thing happens.
Hal Wheeler
Another stupidity of the village cretins in Augusta. I swear, if we crossed Dick Cheney with a slime eel and lobotomized the spawn, we'd have a baitbarrel full of likely candidates for Maine's central bureaucracy. Why do Mainers submit to this gradual reduction to serfdom? We could get rid of both parties and start over again with rational, ethical, pragmatic, compassionate, experienced candidates.
William Burgess Leavenworth
Searsmont, Maine
Give it time. Next year the flags will come from China.
The BDN did not do much reporting here, so it's difficult to tell how big a deal this is. For example, how many flags are we talking about - how many flags does the State even purchase every year? Also, to blame this on "State Government" is lame. Who is the person, in which office, that made the decision to go with the low bidder? Did the paper make any attempt to get the other side of the story?
That's too bad. But we must cut ALL spending in Augusta! No exceptions!!
Bangorian- You didn't do much reading here, so it's easy to tell how much of an idiot you are. The article clearly states how many flags AND there is the "other side" (again, if you had taken the time to read the article) via "David Farmer, Gov. John Baldacci’s spokesman". You, Sir, are a moron, which more than qualifies you to run for Governor in 2010.
Besides, what difference does it make, as long as the flags are made in the U.S.A.? They're not made in Maine. And people, the state doesn't pay state tax to itself on its purchases. That doesn't make any sense. You are all the same people who say the state should cut spending. Here's an example of that near-sightedness coming back to bite you in the you-know-what.
I think someone is confusing sales tax with income taxes. If you make a product for the State of Maine and make a profit you will owe the state income tax from the profits.
Yes, I see that now, nova. I stand corrected. But I seriously doubt that the difference would have been made up in income tax. Also, it occurs to me that Mr. Lougee is a retailer, and that maybe the state wised up and is purchasing the flags directly from the wholesaler in PA.
After time the money would have been made up many times over in taxes.After he paid income taxes from his profits he would have to pay sales taxes on the goods that he bought with the profits.He has part time employees that would be paying state income taxes and then sales taxes on the products they bought with their income.The profits the business recieved from these sale then would be taxed again...........This cycle would continue many more times.This is simple economics 101. Its not the amount of money invloved but the principle.How much more of this is going on?
Another great decision from Augusta. I left Maine earlier this year and I'm now living in South Carolina. Although there are not many job opportunities and the ppl are something less then to be desired, I don't have the life sucked out of me by taxes, I don't even have to license my dogs. I spent my whole life in Maine and I love the ppl, but I'm 24 yrs old and going to college wasn't a possibility I just couldn't afford to go anywhere in Maine. Finally since I've moved I can afford it so I'm starting classes in the fall here. I would liked to have stayed in Maine and one day raise a family there but I refuse to spend my whole life living pay check to pay check just to be nickeled and dimed to death by the wonderful idiots in Augusta, who have never been in that position of struggling everyday single day trying to get by, they say they understand the hardships Mainers face but I think they're full of it until you actually live it you don't know. GOOD LUCK Mr. Lougee, I wish you the best.
I grew up with Mr. Lougee in Dover-Foxcroft. After finishing school I left Maine, but returned in 2001 and settled in Milo, just two streets away from Walter. I know how hard he works at his flag business as I often helped him with projects he needed to improve his sales and presentations. After three years living back in Maine I realized that on my fixed income it was way too expensive .... tax and fee wise ...for me to stay there. I moved back to Texas in 2004, where I am saving a minimum of $5,000/yr. in taxes and fees and that does not include State Income Tax, which we do not have here. I have tried for these past five years to convince Walter and his wife that they should do the same .... sell the house and re-locate the business to another state. Maybe this will be the wake-up call. Best of luck to him, and I encourage everyone to stop by his store or his house and buy his products.
Why didn't it name the winning bid firm?
The Gov's response is BS.
Small business owners (100 0r less employees) are too small for the state to pay attention to their needs except to use for media shows when they get awarded a grant or recognition in some other form and the Gov and his boys take credit even though the state, 90 % of the time, has zero to do with it.
So 144 Flags no big deal to the state or the business development folks but try and get out of state bids for state buildings, schools, UMaine heating oil, fleet fuel for state contracts, or healthcare for Dirigo and guess guess what we can't it's the law for these industries special interests and their millions in lobbying efforts.
Look at California folks, They live for today and let someone else worry about next year. They just ran out of money and are now printing I.O.U'S This the next great idea that will come out of ( the tank of no brains) in Augusta. Let's look out for Mainers first and let the rest of states take care of their own problems.Lets support all the small people of our state.
upsidedownia: Interesting point. Hope all is well. This weather is getting a bit old......will seem like a very short summer at this rate.
Maybe some of this publicity for Mr Lougee will have sent some folks his way to help him out a bit in his business. Not saying that is the whole answer, but the man deserves support from people at this point. Hope he can continue his business.
Thanks to those who shared directions....sounds like this week might be a good time for a drive, a lunch, some strawberries and flag shopping!
Walter is a great guy and a hard worker. I also went to school with him. Ask him who he voted for in the last election!! Yup!! Guaranteed it was a democrat.
While I think he got shafted, I say you get what you vote for and shouldn't complain since YOUR guys were elected.
Mr. Lougee is probably a Republican like so many of the GM car dearlers whose businesses are being pulled out from under them.
The way life should be yea right.
Need to stop buying Maine altogether. Wasteful spending and unnecessary programs won't be cut until we dry up their tills completely. Buy online or in New Hampshire. Go from 2 cars to one used. Buy less of new sales taxed items. We need to all hit them where it hurts - the bottom line, right where they hit us over and over and over.
It's called free-market Capitalism. Just because he's a Maine business the State should bend over backwards to please him and all you others? I don't think so.
This is just another example of the state of Maine hard at work. Instead of investigating all the welfare fraud in this state we would rather save $30.00 on a flag. In JB weekly radio address he is encouraging people to start a bussiness in Maine. For what reason would a person want to? He is also encouraging people to buy local to support Maine bussiness. I wonder if my taxes are gonna go down now since the state saved money? For some reason I doubt they will. Just an example of the State of Maine giving the shaft to another Maine bussiness. I wish Mr Lougee the best of luck and I understand totally why he is upset. The best thing he could do is close up shop, and sign up for welfare. They would gladly support that. The state should be happy the this man is trying to make a living and not living off the state.
I don't live in Maine but I own property Downeast. I try to buy Made in Maine products as much as possible as I feel I am in a small way helping the State's economy. I think you need to change some of people in Augusta and send them to Washington so they can really do some "good". I wonder if the Pa company are suppling USA made flags or Chinese?
I was born and raised in Pennsylvania, and I love the state and people, but this was absolutely assinine for a difference of $30 to cut out this man in Maine for a large company in PA! No common sense was used in this decision - only bids in the State of Maine should have been put out there. Especially where the state flag is concerned, it should be within the state. Why not put the bidding out there to Taiwan or China? I bet the bid would have come in even lower, but the quality wouldn't have matched this Maine man's quality and detail. His whole livelihood is wrapped up in this business - he will have to let some Maine workers go now. I noticed at the Memorial Day Parade in downtown Bangor, that when Governor Baldacci went by - no one clapped - silence, uncomfortable silence. That spoke volumes to me - different from years past.
I'll tell ya what..state of maine...Give Mr. Lougee the contract and I will make up the $30 dollar difference! THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE DEMOCRATS IN CHARGE! WHAT A BUNCH OF STUPID IDIOTS WE HAVE RUNNING THIS STATE!
What makes people think a Republican congress would have done anything different?
Republicans are bigger tightwads than Democrats.
Republicans probably wouldve outsourced it right out of our country to the cheapest third world country!
But I agree, Maine Government should buy local, and circulate the local economy.
They really dropped the ball on this one.
I hope the public finds out who made the decision to outsource this .
Protecting the taxpayers money, what BS.
I think the Maine taxpayer would rather have their tax dollars supporting a Maine Business no matter what.
I dont care if other states would retaliate. Maine can take care of itself.
The article said Maine exports alot more than it imports. I bet the majority of our exports are our own natural resources.
Maine's natural resources should stay in Maine anyway, and ensure that their used sustainably.
my god, are they trying to protect Maine taxpayer dollars from ourselves?
Are they trying to make us less self sufficient?
Maine government bidding should favor Maine businesses.
The only time it should go out of state is if we cant do it ourselves (in the unlikely situation).
You would think our Maine government would do all in their power to ensure that our tax dollars support and stay in the state of Maine.
Sorry for the lost bid, but that's the name of the game. You die-hard Mainers act like you could stand alone from the other 49 States... The last time I heard, Pennsylvania was one of the ORIGINAL thirteen colonies that decided to secede from England and it is still part of the United States. The fact is that Maine IMPORTS much more than it exports, to say otherwise is a complete lie as not much is really PRODUCED here any more. I have lost 20 Thousand-plus dollar bids over less than $100.00 and one over a LATE "local-boy bid" that was $14.00 less than mine. Like I said it is the name of the game. Walter, re-assess your costs and come back sharper next year.
Why support this type of cut throat capitalism?
Some things should be more important than the bottom line.
Maine taxpayer dollars should support Maine Businesses when it comes to government contracts.
It's recycling money. We pay taxes, the government gives it back by suppling us with work. Circulating the local economy.
With your comments conservative4life, you would think you would support reform of maine bidding process,
Local bidding control and highest quality should be the standard in winning contracts shouldnt it?
i think maine did the right thing for the tax payer he lost the bid for a good reason same quality lower price he needs to redo his bid and cut a few corners come in a little lower next time. as for giving the contracts to mainers you would have mainers abusing that by jacking up there price because we have to buy from a mainer tax payers would have to pay it no matter what the price .
30 dollars! We sold out a maine business contract for 30 dollars!
If we expect maine citizens to support and be loyal to maine businesses, the government should lead by example.
Thanks Augusta! So wonder the maine people are getting poorer and poorer.When your own state doesn't even support Maine business how can you expect others to honor the Maine employer. Baldacci needs to go! Shame on Maine!
Rediculous.... Main company loses out while an out of state on that doesn't pay taxes to the state wins... what a world we live in. I'd of chipped in the extra $30 out of my own pocket to keep it in Maine. We need to look out for our own. Not to mention the pride that comes with these flags being produced right here.
look around youll find american flags made in china,so nothing surprises me any more.peace
I can not believe the stupidity of the people working in our state house. They think that by saving $30.00 on flags makes a difference on everything else they spend OUR money on? Lay off half of the people that "work" there and reduce their spending of our money, reduce the taxes instead of increasing them, then I will believe they are trying to look out for the welfare of the people of the great state of Maine.
$30 made rthe difference between keeping the flag purchases in Maine or giving it to a PA company?
Only one word that I can think of to describe this latest BS.....PATHETIC!
THE STATE WILL LOSE MORE IN SALES TAX IN ONE DAY FOR SAVING $30 FROM THIS NITWIT MOVE!
BUT WHO IS SURPRISED?!!
And this is just a little flag. You should see what they do on the big things.
Ridiculous!!!!! Cancel the contract and buy the State flags in the State Maine....that is the problem with government...no-one uses their common sense. They are probably afraid of being accused of inpropriety due to the rampant misuse of our funds over the years that they want to make examples....this a ridiculous misuse of common sense. CANCEL AND BUY IN MAINE.
icuucme and skeptic, you need to look at the big picture. The state of Maine LOST more money than the $30 it saved. It lost business income tax, personal income tax, and sales tax from goods the owner and employees would have purchased with their earnings. We are talking about 288 flags. Even if net profit was only $5 per flag ($1440 total), that would total way more than $30 in taxes being paid to Maine, let alone all the other benefits to the state.
THE PROBLEM HERE IS THAT AUGUSTA OUTSOURCES. THEY OUTSOURCED THE DESTRUCTION OF THE MOUNT KATHADIN AREA, THEY OUTSOURCED THE DESTRUCTION OF THE WEST PARIS CASINO DEAL. AUGUSTA HAS NO DAMNED RESPECT FOR THE FOLKS IN AND OF MAINE WHO CAN PERFORM CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND OPERATING BUSINESSES, JUST AS WELL AS THE OUT-OF-STATE MAFIA AND SYNDICATE-OPERATED FRIENDS OF BALDACCI AND HIS SIDEKICKS IN THE STATE HOUSE.
OUTSOURCING TAKES THE VERY FABRIC AND PURPOSE OF EMPLOYMENT IN MAINE AWAY FROM MAINE TAXPAYERS AND IN TURN, CREATES UNEMPLOYMENT.
THIS POOR GUY IN THE ARTICLE PROBABLY ALEADY BOUGHT HIS SUPPLIES FOR THIS PROJECT, UNDER CONTRACT (OF WHICH THE STATE RENIGED ON - WHICH COULD BE ARGUED IN COURT AND WON BY MR. LOUGEE) AND IS NOW STUCK HOLDING THE SUPPLIES AND LOSS OF FUNDS IN THE MEANTIME. MAYBE MR. LOUGEE SHOULD CONSIDER SUING THE STATE FOR BREAKING THIS CONTRACT AND SHOW PROOF OF HIS "DAMAGES".
first off thank you mr lougee for trying to help our state and save us money. sorry that you was ousted for 30 dollars. until baldee and his buddies are out of augusta then unfortantly we will continue to see small business fail in maine.
the taxes he paid.......was probably more than the $30 they saved. The wages that Mainers earned making them and paid taxes on was certainly over the $30.00.
I put bids out it Maine for the Government and the governor's rep lied by omission. You don't have to take the lowest bid in a situation like this. You are allowed to have common sense. If the bid had been a couple of hundred dollars lower there would be no way, but for $30.00 it could have been done if some lazy SOB would have done the extra justification paperwork.
Mr. Lougee's mistake? He forgot to donate to the Maine Democratic Party period.
$30.00??? Even if it were a $300.00 difference, the State of Maine should be buying from a local business. Very, very sad...
Mr. Lougee is not the "friendliest" business person. Does he offer discounts to "Mainers"?
This is simply the State trying to save us taxpayers money, in which we all gripe about. It's the bidding process. He was underbid, PERIOD.
It's not much different than the textiles, the wood industry, the clothing and shoe industry. Fortunately he only has a few years until retirement and not children to feed.
The State is doing what it needs to do in every department and at every opportunity and that is cut costs. Each penny saved is less we have to pay.
Lougee has been acting as the middle man, buying wholesale selling retail, although at a volume discount, still far cheaper to buy wholesale.
The lowest bidder is not always the best deal ..... Let's remember the other aspects that have been pointed out such as the taxes on profitablity, rental / lease monies paid, sales taxes paid by customers & many other items that are the "net" result of deals / decisions like this. We spent the $30 that we thought we saved many times over. I don't know what some have had for experiences with Mr. Lougee, but I can vouch that he has always been fair, courteous & very customer service oriented when I / my family have dealt with him. One of his flags flies proudly at my home and I too hope that he receives extra attention due to this article.
THIS IS JUST NOT RIGHT..I FIND THAT THE STATE GOVERNMENT MAKES ME MORE AND MORE SICK EACH DAY....
The so-called American leaders we have in Augusta are soooooo clearly out-a-touch!!!! They are oblivious to anything we point out to them. After we point it out to them they deny everything and change nothing. Loosers!!!!
It's the same all over. I work for a Gov't agency, and our freakin' unforms are made in Mexico. Go figure.
You should be ashamed Baldacci. This is sick, you are void of all honor and dedication.
Maineboy 7/5/09 6:21 p.m. post~ Please elaborate, I'd love to hear more! If they make this kind of judgement call on flags, I'd love to know about the "big things".
From I understand from a friend Maine, the U of M system had submitted a RFP for an insurance provider for the staff, faculty, and admin for the entire U of Maine system. 2 large national companies and one Maine based insurance company, United, submitted proposals. Met Life was awarded the contract even though it was not the lowest bid. Go figure.
This is not unlike what the Federal Government is required to do. As a buyer for the Federal Government, we are required to abide by the laws passed by Congress.These laws and procedures are located in the Federal Acquisition Regulation. The State of Maine also has its rules and procedures that have been established. i agree that it would have been nice to award to a company in Maine, but competition in the marketplace helps to drive down the price. In the grand scheme of things $30 is not that much money, but this is only one area where the State makes purchases. I am sure next year, Lougee will have a smaller price on his flags. I want a state that is willing to go out and get the best price. Nothing is mentioned of the quality of Lougee's product though.
I am a huge advocate to increase the economy from within the State. When I buy for the Federal Government, I look to the local economy first and then go else where. The problem I have found, is that the local companies don't want to invest the time or energy registering to do business with the Feds. Thats frustrating! Because of that, that Federal money is now moving out of state.
Its interesting to see that Lougee has a feeling of entitlement rather than using his energy to find other potential buyers. Do your market research and be competitive!
Pab, Walter Lougee is a great guy. He worked for years on the road for a grocery store chain. He was always smiling and happy, even on those cold and snowing days. Even back then he was selling flags from his garage. Hard worker and he does deserve support. I hope you find his shop, I know if you do you will have fun talking to him. Hey speaking of fun people to talk to, have you noticed the lady from the island is back with a new handle?
You don't say ole' mean one....
And by the way duckwa thanks for the insight on Mr Lougee....the wife and I are going this week for some strawberries and will be making a run to the Flag Store!
I love how the Baldacci was unsympathetic with this one. I owe him so much for saving the entire state $30!!! Oh my...now I can buy that fancy toilet paper I've been wanting to try out!
That is awesome Pab. IMO he is a truly nice guy. Working in a grocery store chain things become humdrum. Lots of times you would catch people either in a bad mood or just indifferent. Not Walter, he was always happy and smiling. I think this flag shop is what allows him to get off the road and enjoy retirement. Tell him Hello from Yankee Dave's old protégé up north. He will figure it out. Yes I'm pretty sure the ole' mean one is back with a new name laying low. Keep your head UP and you may notice also. Have fun on your trip.
he certainly has a point!!!!!!! who is selling this state out?????
He should have bid lower, if they had given the contract to him the other company would have been able to sue. It is the law, it doesn't have to make sense...move on.
Isn't it time for Baldacci to leave office? He has ruined this state. To award any contract for any work to be done in Maine to any outside state, just
shows that the Governor has no respect for the citizens of this State.
Great Article - Thank you BDN
Down here on the coast we are being attacked by a villagesoup from hell with nothing but who's in court and other gossip.
This is real journalism.
About the story : I just called the govenor's office at tel: 207-287-3531 and left a message demanding him to order the contract be given to the Maine company. It's within his authority to reverse the award of the contract.
If enough of us do it we can force him.
Elected officials not working for the constituents is like a disease spreading throughout this country. If we choose not to speak up and resist nothing will ever change.
Remember that this nation was born out of dissent when your parents parents decided to give their lives to rid themselves of the crown of England.
Remember M.L.King who reminded us the non violent resistance does not equal being quiet. Speak up, call NOW 207-287-3531, don't postpone, don't be afraid, remind them who they work and who pays their salary and health insurance....
Welcome to the backstabbing state of Maine. E Baldy wants to bring business to Maine. He claims this is what one of his many tasks are. He says this while idiots come up with new taxes. However allowing a business like this one, the small businesses who work hard, loose their own contract wih thte state and do business out of state? Makes a lot of sense! Keep business in Maine yet the state goes out of state for their own stuff now.
If Baldy Bub and Augusta want to do something to give people and Maine business owners a shred of hope, they would award this contract to him and keep this in Maine...that's the way life should be!
Oh and this is saving tax payers money? Yeah right divide up $30 between how many tax payers?
WHY DO THAY PUT THINGS OUT TO BID.IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GO WITH LOW BIDDER.GUESS HE SHOULD HAVE BID $35 DOLLERS LESS
i WONDER WHERE HE BUYS HIS FLAGS.CHINA MAYBE$
what a shame for mr .lougee for having to loose out on selling the flags i have one on my house hanging and i dont know if i will even put one out next year.....this state is getting perthetic.....take one mans job and send it to someone out of state ......what is wrong with the state of maine if thats what you want to call it.....how much longar does bald baldacci have to run ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? not long i hope ....get that thing out of augusta the quicker the better .....but the next one comming in might be as bad or even worse....no i think he buys them from japan.....i agree with you ydnar you put a wonderful name on what used to be maine....it fits this state perfect..... we should take a vote on it and see what people think of that name ! ! ! ! !
Follow the money. Someone should investigate whether or not someone from the Pennsylvania company slipped something extra in a legislators pocket on this one.
They make people do bids because they like to RIP people off, its a poor system for the merchant.. The gov is probably related to the other person who owns the winning bid....
The state will lose more in income tax when the hours for the workers are cut. Elected people come and go but the bureaucrats are there for ever. Don Howard
This has got to be the most idiotic thing I have heard in a long time. Does Augusta really think they are giving the taxpayers the best deal by saving us a whopping 30 BUCKS??? Come on people! That is a cop-out. There should be a buffer. Do they honestly think that other states will put in a buffer just to get back at us? Talk about ego. The buffer is there to stop stupid practices such as awarding an out-of-state firm a contract because they were $30 less than a Maine company. DUMB
And harryharly - the flags are made in the U.S.A. Read the first paragraph.
i AM DIGUSTED BY THIS I AM SO MAD I'M SPITTING NAILS... WHAT IN THE H-E ** ARE YOU PEOPLE IN AUGUSTA THINKING??? I MEAN REALLY THIS IS JUST DUMBFOUNDING
AUGUSTA WHY? PLEASE STOP PUTTING MAINE PEOPLE OUT OF BUSINESS & WORK! WE ARE STRUGGLING EVERYDAY DUE TO YOUR NONSENSE!! LISTEN TO THE MAINE PEOPLE THAT ELECTED YOU & DO YOUR JOB ETHICALLY!!!
THIS REALLY HITS US ALL BELOW THE BELT ----UNBELIEVEABLE !!! AND FOR ONLY $30.00. THERE REALLY AREN'T MANY WISE DECISIONS MADE ANY MORE IN AUGUSTA FOR THE MAINE PEOPLE. LET'S GET HIM OUT OF OFFICE ASAP. SAME WITH OBAMA. I LIVE APPROX. 1 MILE FROM MR. LOUGEE'S SHOP IN CORINTH. I LOVE TO SEE THE FLAGS WAVING THAT HE HAS ON POLES IN FRONT OF HIS BUSINESS. I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T PURCHASE A FLAG IF I SEE IT IS MADE IN PENNSYLVANIA. LET'S RALLY ROUND MR. LOUGEE AND GO TO HIS STORE AND MAKE UP FOR HIS LOSS THE STATE HAS HANDED HIM.
MADE IN THE U. S. A. IN CORINTH MAINE IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO. PEOPLE.
I HOPE THE CHUNK HEADS IN AUGUSTA GET TO READ THESE COMMENTS. LOL
RFP's should be evaluated based on total impact not just service, quality, and cost. Why? Because total impact measures how the state as a whole is affected by this RFP. Maine state companies would benefit because issues like taxes collected (state and local), employees, payroll, insurance should be taken into account reducing the total cost.
If it makes sense, you can believe the State of Maine will not do it. The shameful thing is that they will just ignore what we all think. No wonder we are in trouble. We try to teach our kids respect and loyalty. It would be nice if our State could set the same example. I have met Mr. Lougee, and you could not ask for a nicer man. He gives back to the community. What a way for our State to step on a hard working man. SHAME ON YOU!
One more example of idiots in state government.
Did anyone ask the state if the difference in price included freight form the PA company or not? I can't believe they would have accepted the bid without verifying that. The other question asked above was the tax issue. The state doesn't pay sales tax... So that's a non-issue. Sadly with the economy the way it is, all companies are looking for price reductions. But all things equal, I would bet the flags the other vendor is providing is not made in the US. which should be a stipulation for a state purchase of a US flag.
This one stupid and relatively small move on the states part might just be the thing we can use to let those idiots know that we're tired of this and that their seats are getting hot. Lets all go buy a flag from this man. If enough of us do, it should create another story. Buy a flag, prevent welfare!
Another news story on the response (buying flags) will serve to highlight the lies coming out of Augusta. They want business here because they want the revenue to further special interest causes. It has nothing to do with Mainers being productive.
Look at what has happened to Maine in 20 years. So many hard working pride full people, making shoes, shirts, logging, etc. Not much of that employing Mainers these days. This is about reducing reliance on the government so they don't cost us so danged much. We don't need em for much and they need to release the taxation stranglehold they have on us by cutting back everywhere.
My wife and I recently moved back from Montana. Our choice and we'll live with the decision. It ain't easy. All I can say is that we're paying double the taxes for the privilege of living here. Folks out there helped each other and told their representatives they didn't need anything from them. Lots of community support and that's how things got done. We can do the same.
Buy from your neighbor. If he's priced too high, look to your other neighbor. They'll figure it out and compete. It's healthy.
Somebody mentioned serfdom in an earlier post. That's about the most accurate term for what we have here.
CJSBDN- I agree that our government does more than its fair share of wasteful spending, hoever, I would disagree with you that Special Ed is its biggest con. I have a son that receives special ed services, without them, he wouldn't have a chance in hell to succeed. These special ed folks (ed techs, teachers, etc.) take on tasks that I myself couldn't do (being the parent of a special ed student). They see potential where it lies and build on those blocks to help these students become contributing citizens. My son has come a long way with the help of these folks.
upsideownia (7/4/09 2:06pm) You are correct that the state doesn't pay taxes to itself on sales... however, Mr. Lougee is required to include ALL sales to the state for income tax purposes... therefore, he would have been paying taxes to the state of Maine for his income from those flags. Not to mention that the money he receives probably purchases himself groceries and other essentials that he purchases from local businesses... keeping this money in Maine.
Some things are more important that money and the Maine government should support Maine businesses, period. This is disgusting. Yes, competition is good, but if it is law for the Feds to buy made in USA then why isn't it law that the Maine gov. buy from Mainers first. I always buy Maine first if I can find what i need in Maine. I then buy USA second. I hate buying things from other countries and only do so when I have no choice and then only from countries that are friendly to the US. Supporting your neighbors and your own community is more important than the money saved. Augusta has a double standard - no one is allowed to buy insurance outside of Maine, but we can buy flags from PA? Thanks to Sen Thomas for trying to stick up for the little guy. Doug Thomas is one of the good ones, don't vote him out, vote more like him in. Let's all buy a flag from Mr. Lougee and then write and call Augusta and demand that they buy from a local company.
Same happened to our company last year... the state is now paying over 31.00 dollars a case more for the exact glove from a company in rhode island. They spec the bid wrong without checking the case count and are getting 500 gloves per case instead of 1000. They would not admit to the mistake. they will spend thousands more for the gloves from an out of state company.
Wow! Why are we suprised Baldouchie has been screwing the state of Maine since he set foot in Augusta. If $30 was the real problem, I would have kicked the money in. I would rather see them spend money on supporting a Maine business rather than pay for one more welfare scumbag sucking off the system.
I drove to Mr Lougee's store today and purchased two flags one for my home and one for my daughter in Iraq.I drove an hour and used a little gas but bought quality made in the USA,supported a fellow Mainer and small business owner.Go and buy a flag from this very nice man who by the way wasnt opened on tues.but was at his store and told me to come in anyway.Thanks Mr Lougee much better quality than the Big Box store
I agree, follow the money trail. For the PA company to win the bid by only $30, makes you think that someone in Maine gov told the PA company what Mr. Lougee's bid was.
Good job motherofasoldier.... that is Maine spirit. We have to keep our economy alive somehow... since the nimwits in Augusta can't seem to do it. I'm sure Mr. Lougee has been getting a lot of business since this article ran. I hope he makes 1000 times more than he would have with the state... it is a terrible shame what's happening to his company.
For a lousy $30.00????? Give me a break! The state should have supported this businessman and continued the contract with him. Geeze I'm willing to bet if it had been known it was over a lousy 30 bucks, people would have chipped that in to keep the business in Maine. It's about time our state government made it easier for in-state businesses and didn't cater so much to outside interests.
How about if we all flood the state house and demand that this man is given the contract for the state flags? We have 141 comments here... so instead of complaining and accomplishing nothing, let's get together and make our voices heard!!!
I called Baldies office yesterday and voiced my opinion about this and there lack of economic knowledge.I was told this was decision wasnt made from their office.
207-287-3531
I'll send the State and the $30.00 to keep this contract in State. This may be legal, but, Maine residents should be given priority. I am a small business owner in Maine, and it is so very apparent that Maine is a very unfriendly State in which to operate a small business. Gov. Baldacci is such a sad presence in the Capital. He should stick to meatballs!
I emailed Baldy late last week to voice my opinion on this article, If he read it he wouldnt be happy with what I had to say.
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Could someone please get me his phone number? i'll get him some sales out this way.
Nova04401 7/8/09 6:26 a.m. post~ Thank you for the number.
Another government entity that passes the buck and won't admit to their mistake.
Good luck getting any response from Baldie's office. He is not very good at responding, unless it is a photo oppportunity for him.
And we wonder why Maine businesses are moving out of State.
OK, so Some of you Might think that the taxpayers of the state of Maine get a better deal with an out of state bid?
You would be Wrong.
Think again, does the out of state firm;
- Pay Maine income tax? NO
- Pay property tax in Maine? NO
- Use Maine based trades and services? NO
- Spend their profits in Maine? NO
A "Buffer" is Clearly Needed.
OH, And of course to keep Maine citizens Employed to spend their wages IN MAINE !
So those are Our tax dollars leaving the state, with No benefit to Our state economy !
That is why there Should be a "Buffer" !
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"IN MAINE - FOR MAINE"
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Yes "anne_of_mdi", Even if it's "Only" part time work it's work IN Maine, For Maine.
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So sad the people of this state trusted you JB you should be ashamed that you care nothing about this state or the people who voted you in. We the people of this state cannot wait till election time--- you will never serve another term---election time cannot come soon enough.I as a citizen of this state will not purchase a flag not Maine made may you all join in and do the same.
Thank you BDN for making me look like a fool. Maybe you should have checked the "facts" in this story first.
I'm curious about how many of the complainers about this issue have flagpoles. How many were made in Maine? How many were purchased from a Maine company? How many of you buy your flags from this vendor? Why do you think it's the State's job to keep a one-man operation solvent? If this makes or breaks him then his business has bigger issues than whether the State purchases a few flags from him. Do you buy everything for your personal use from Maine companies or do you shop for price? Somehow I have to think if you're honest with yourselves you'll realize this is about one man being upset because he thought he had a lock on this sale and so he didn't pay attention to the details of the bid package. Unfortunate, but true. Move on and produce a better bid next year. Maybe even open a lfag manufacturing company between now and then, but the product had better excell too.
Read part of story. I guess now that they (the state) put his daughter out of work they'll be able to pay her unemployment for a few years and then she'll be able to get on the states welfare rolls. .
Seems like the state is trying to have everyone on welfare
Just a brief lesson in economics: If the State spends $1 in the State, there is an additional economic activity spin-off in the State of at least $3 and possibly as much as $7; some of which also generates tax revenues back to the State. If the State spends that same $1 out-of-state, then, the additional economic activity spin-off in the State of Maine is.... you guessed it.... ZERO!!!! So, where should our State government spend the money we send to them in various fees and taxes we pay? EVERY opportunity to spend in-state should be taken!!!! RFP's do not take any of the additional economic activity benefits into account and should ONLY be used if a product or service is NOT AVAILABLE through a bona-fide in-state source!!!!!!
Just a little lesson in economics. If the State spends your money it costs more no matter how you spin it. If we spent our own money we could decide for ourselves where to buy things and what is important enough to spend it on. The State,and the Feds routinely give out flags that have flown over various Government buildings. Perhaps many of these flags never needed to be bought in the first place. You want a flag, go buy one yourself. Town offices call their Reps all the time looking for freebie flags for the Town office. Why should the taxpayers foot that bill when many times someone in a local area will buy the flags for the Town if asked to. Stop expecting the Government at any level to solve all your problems for you. Jeeze.
The State takes $1.00 in taxes, gives you back 20 cents and you are on your knees thanking them for the gift. Wake the heck up!
I'm floored that our idiot Politicians in August would take away business from one of their own. If it was a matter of $30 I'm sure this man would have lowered his price had he known. Come on...$30!!!! I sent an emai lof disgust to the Governor. Not that I believe he'd actually read it but some bozo up there will. Maybe it's time to overload their inbox with our agrevation. This state needs to stop voting in these people.
I spent my teen years in LaGrange and attended school in Milo. It seemed like everyone worked for Dexter Shoe or the Mills, which are gone now. After retiring from the US Army I returned to the state in 2004 and I have been constantly disgusted by the manner in which our state runs and treats the citizens and any type of sustainable business or livelyhood. Why doesn't common sense apply in this case? Made in the USA and Made in Maine for Maine seems reasonable to me. Southern Maine seems to control everything in our state and if it is good for the southern part of the state it's a go and for the northern portion it's turned down or destroyed, or sent out of the state. I love this state and wanted my son to grow up here, but I will be moving away again, to a state that takes care of it's own. Eventually northern Maine will be a nice campground for the rich folk from away!
The article doesn't say if the cost of the flags was $30 less expensive EACH, or if it was $30 over the entire cost of the purchase of 144 flags. If the cost of $30/flag EACH, I don't blame the state. That's a big savings on a (relatively) inexpensive item. If it's $30 over the entire contract, really, well, they may be in keeping with the spirit of awarding the contract to the lowest bidder, but, doesn't sound like a wise decision for the state as a whole. Mr. Lougee, I remember buying several hundred flags from you (the small hand-waving kind) shortly after 9/11, for a work-related patriotic event, and I would hate to see your business fail. At the same time, we (the taxpayers) expect our state government to use our money wisely, and it sounds like they made an effort to, though, perhaps, without considering the bigger picture.
This is a good example of how sometimes common sense is occasionally outdone by the black-and-white letter-of-the-law.
You know, I see a lot of anger and vitriol here. But of the 160 people thus far who have commented, how many of you have done anything to let the state know how you feel? Have you written to the Governor's office? Have you written an editorial column? Have you written a letter of support to either the Governor's office, or Mr. Lougee, to let them know how you feel? Have you called your town legislator?
Stop. Think. Develop a plan. Then act. No matter what your position, politics, political decisions, and laws, are made by those who get involved.
GET INVOLVED. Make a difference.
Yes. You can.
Walter Lougee goes out of his way to personally deliver flags for all the area cemeteries by calling the towns first and personally meeting their people along a designated route, saving Maine people shipping fees as well as gas money. He even called some of us while on vactaion to help us with special orders. He is dedicated and he is a MAINE business, MAINE resident and MAINE taxpayer. This is where we all loose.... we are not " involved enough" with Maine Governement. Their decison in in essence our decison as it was made on our behalf by someone representing us so....for $30.00 we sold out on a good MAINE business, MAINE resident and MAINE taxpayer.... the cost of a lunch billed to us every day by some governement official through the additional stpiend given them along with their regular wages.
For want of a nail, the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe, the horse was lost.
For want of a horse, the rider was lost.
For want of a rider, the battle was lost.
For want of a battle, the kingdom was lost.
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.
False penny-pinching will be the death of Maine businesses. Don't send business out of state for $30!!!
governor says he looks to protect taxpayers huh . we do not care about 30 dollers what we want is for this flag man to make the flags if 30 dollres is a problem let me know i will pay it huh no one cares about nothing no more to bad but as they say 2012 should be the final judgement year so wait and see and p.s. fix route 234 anson valley road or i might sue the state for destroying my new car i not care about i-95 so stop wasting my taxes . and tell your maine state crews stop leaning on those shovels thanks but back to the sub ject give our flag man his rightful chance . and if we want to save tax money lay off every social worker that is a bull sh-t job and leave the kids in there homes
I moved out long ago; you are all a bunch of lambs being led to slaughter. Baldacci is your shepherd.
The government is suppose to work for us. What the majority of the PEOPLE want is supose to be what the govenment is doing. Our tax dollars pay for their sallaries. If they are not doing what WE THE PEOPLE want, then they should be thrown out, and WE THE PEOPLE should put someone in that will represent the PEOPLE'S Best interests. I think that somewhere along the way, the govenment got the impression that we worked for it, rather than it working for us. How do we change this? I think we all need to pay more attention to RON PAUL and his veiws on what govenment is suppose to be. Google hiim :)
"Ms. Betty M. Lamoreau,
I'm writing to you as head of the Maine's Division of Purchases assuming you may know something about the current article in the Bangor Daily News dated 7-4-09, http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/109963.html, stating that a firm in Milo will not be supplying flags to the state government, at least this year, because an out of state company came in $30 under Mr. Lougee's bid. As a former school board director, I know how policy can become a convenient tool for determining action, but I also learned that following policy alone can be more problematic than having no policy at all. We wouldn't need people to make decisions that require no thinking.
Forgive me if you are not the person to address, but if you are then I feel your department failed at many levels. First and foremost, a determination to contract with the lowest bidder and especially in this case, fails to consider the larger picture of lost wages, taxes and good will by going out of state. If your office had saved the tax payers a significant sum, this would be a different story. But for $30, it would appear someone needs to go back to the drawing board and rethink this decision.
Thank you very much for your time. If I have addressed my views to the wrong department, could you direct me to the correct one." I'll post a response if I get one.
Here's an op-ed piece and a follow-up article that may clear up a few things. Seems the difference in the bids was closer to $1,000 than $30. I also found it curious that the alert I receive from bdnupdate@bangordailynews.net came to me 23 days after this article was published.
Op-Ed: http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/110267.html
Follow-up article: http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/110369.html
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This is why we need a "Buffer" in Favor of IN State vendors.
More effective use of taxpayer money in the state of Maine.
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My flag needs to be replaced, how about yours?
Nice day for a drive in the country.
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It seems a bit absurd to me that our state government is saying that they were trying to save the taxpayers of maine some money by going with the lowest bidder. whether it was $30 or $1000 dollars difference on the bid, do you really think that one thousand dollars is going to hurt our wallets so much, that you need to let and out of state company provide our state with our own states flags? If you'd kept it in maine, at least it would've made some sort of sense, but to send it to a company which isn't even located in new england just is crazy. Living in a state with the highest taxes, the most taxes, the hardest state to run a business in, and were going to send stuff like this out of state? Gee i wonder why all us young people keep leaving Maine.... No longer the way life should be
So basically, our state government runs the budget like I do the Red Sox in MLB2K9 - get rid of everyone who sucks in the game even if it means dumping Lowrie and Wakefield to bring in someone like Ben Sheets and someone else. Or dump Lowell if I can get Alex Gordon. Heh. I should run for a seat next time around...
Baldacci and his buddies. Where are the outcries from the pol's? Wait a minute, it does not directly concern any of them or put anything in their pockets. Dang shame. Maine dropping a local business for $30.
Time for the idiot politicians in Maine to get reshuffled. I personally will not vote for any incumbents this time around. That is for both local and state elections. New rep's, new senator's,etc.... (State and federal). Just time to clean house and get rid of the dead weight!
wow for once the majority or darn near all of us are in agreement here !!! i like it when we pull together... i just wish there was something we could all do for this man and his business, the flag is so important, i am disgusted with augusta